Timothy
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Post by Timothy on Mar 28, 2008 8:13:51 GMT -5
oooh, who did you steal that from? I like that quote. Would you believe that I created it as I was typing that message?
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Post by Papa Smurf on Apr 1, 2008 0:50:44 GMT -5
nice that bumps your kudos to 150.
Anyway, why is homosexuality often against religious law?
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Post by Timothy on Apr 1, 2008 8:39:23 GMT -5
nice that bumps your kudos to 150. Anyway, why is homosexuality often against religious law? I don't have any concrete answers, but here's what I think. Homosexuality was outside of what was considered by some ancient societies to be normal; if it isn't normal, it must be eliminated. Hence, laws against it.
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Post by Wolf on Jul 18, 2008 10:55:17 GMT -5
I'm not letting anger tale over, and I haven't killed *yet*. If I get the job I really want I might, but considering I'm prolly going into social work, not likely.
As for concrete answers of why people shouldn't do it, I can't help you too much bc I don't believe there are concrete answers to anything. However, may I point out:
-gay people are (if I remember correctly) 2-3x more likely to end up w fatal STDs than straights -if the Bible is to be believed (and as far as I'm concerned it is), 2 cities were wiped off the face of the planet for allowing widespread homosexuality. -more people (at least of the set I've been subject to) are "gay" bc they're trying to be rebels or decided early they're afraid of the other sex (ewwww! cooties! mentality) and never got over it therefore they don't want to try being straight, or they became gay to fight their homophobia -and like you said they're still people. The ones I know are all about ramming it down people's throats and making them uncomfortable and "god CENSORSHIP! it you're going to accept me for being gay and you're gonna like it!" and try to force others into being gay.
Therefore, no, I don't think anyone I know is of a good mind to be homo.
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Post by Timothy on Jul 19, 2008 20:16:42 GMT -5
I remember reading about that myth years ago, and it occasionally pops up every now and then. STDs occur between partners who 1.) don't use prophylactics and 2.) engage in sexual activities with unknown partners. By saying that this predominately occurs with gays, well-meaning straight people essentially write-off a whole group of human beings who suffer and die from a horrifying situation. It wasn't exclusively for homosexuality; it was for the inhabitants' wickedness... Their violent, destructive and sexually promiscuous behaviors. Essentially, it was God's way of dealing with chaotic times. I can see the sort of angst-driven rebellion that some may latch onto in terms of homosexuality. In my travels, I've encountered men and women who became aware of their homosexuality far earlier than their teenage years and have struggled to do what feels right to them with what is acceptable by their parents or society at large. I don't really see the forcing people to be gay type of agenda; I think that it's more or less a situation of people struggling to come to grips with their own identity in a country that doesn't tolerate deviations from culturally percieved notions of morality. Yes, there are some who get really in your face about gay rights and what-not, but generally speaking, this is really an issue of privacy.
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Post by Papa Smurf on Jul 27, 2008 4:20:46 GMT -5
I'm not letting anger tale over, and I haven't killed *yet*. If I get the job I really want I might, but considering I'm prolly going into social work, not likely. -and like you said they're still people. The ones I know are all about ramming it down people's throats and making them uncomfortable and "god CENSORSHIP! it you're going to accept me for being gay and you're gonna like it!" and try to force others into being gay. Therefore, no, I don't think anyone I know is of a good mind to be homo. People who shove who they are down other's throats are a bother, but that's the same for any people who have that mentality. But isn't shoving the idea that their love is wrong the same thing? But what about the peaceful gays who just want to life their lives as who they are? most of them dont go about shoving it in other's faces, and generalizing then with the minority among minorities only prompts more of the throat shoving behavior.
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Post by Timothy on Jul 28, 2008 18:38:09 GMT -5
I'm not letting anger tale over, and I haven't killed *yet*. If I get the job I really want I might, but considering I'm prolly going into social work, not likely. -and like you said they're still people. The ones I know are all about ramming it down people's throats and making them uncomfortable and "god CENSORSHIP! it you're going to accept me for being gay and you're gonna like it!" and try to force others into being gay. Therefore, no, I don't think anyone I know is of a good mind to be homo. People who shove who they are down other's throats are a bother, but that's the same for any people who have that mentality. But isn't shoving the idea that their love is wrong the same thing? I agree; it goes both ways. Homosexuals who get in the faces of others obviously have very personal difficulties to sort out, including but not limited to, reconciling with their parents. They feel that they have something to prove, and as such, they are the most volatile type of advocates. As in the previously mentioned case, this goes the same for anti-homosexual advocates.
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Post by Wolf on Jul 29, 2008 14:17:01 GMT -5
I don't agree with either party, and if you want to be that way, fine, just don't let me know about it. it saves alot of hard feelings, awkwardness, and hassle. I've been in circumstances both where I've been thought of as gay by straights (I HATE people patronizing me), and approached by hopefuls. It's sad and annoying that this happens. I can't look at a person the same way after run-ins like that. Tim, you specifically know one of the offenders: Jon Rhodes. He's part of the first group. If he could do that, anyone could. It's sickening. I don't think it's something that belongs in normal conversation. This is fine bc it's optional, but beyond that no.
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Post by Timothy on Jul 29, 2008 18:52:27 GMT -5
I don't agree with either party, and if you want to be that way, fine, just don't let me know about it. it saves alot of hard feelings, awkwardness, and hassle. I've been in circumstances both where I've been thought of as gay by straights (I HATE people patronizing me), and approached by hopefuls. It's sad and annoying that this happens. I can't look at a person the same way after run-ins like that. The comment about hopefuls wanting to "recruit you" reminds me of this great article on "The Onion" that described the homosexual "quota agenda" recruitment drive ;D He actually thought that? I knew he was a few Crayolas short of a full box, but that just takes the marker ;D Sexuality shouldn't be tabooed, but, in a sense, I think you're right; with certain people, topics of this nature are "unacceptable."
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Post by Wolf on Jul 31, 2008 10:36:49 GMT -5
1^Never heard of it, but doesn't surprise me.
2^Yes, he did. His comment was something along the lines of "I always knew you'd go gay. Your personality just fits it." It took all my self-control not to sock him. Like when Dave tried convincing me money was god. It doesn't go over very well with me.
3^A case of know who you're dealing with before broaching possibly touchy subjects. Like Homos. And parentals. And religion. and prolly a whole bunch of other crap I haven't even thought of. If you don't want to offend or debate, don't bring it up.
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