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Post by Timothy on Jun 13, 2008 18:37:09 GMT -5
all the reviews I have read say that this movie is just as good as Ironman and I loved Ironman so maybe I will see it theaters I loved Iron Man too, but Edward Norton does not a movie make; I'll wait until it's on DVD.
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Post by Jack Napier on Jun 13, 2008 19:50:52 GMT -5
Saw it today. Didn't like it as much as Iron Man, but there's a lot that worked. Norton was a perfect Banner. The relationship between Bruce and Betty was well done. I was pretty satisfied with characterizations for Bruce, Betty, and General Ross, but disappointed in the ones for Samson, Sterns, and Blonsky. The ending also felt like something was missing to me. I can't really place it. I also think that there were scenes left on the cutting room floor that may have helped. For example, the scene between Ty Burrell and Ed Norton in the beginning of the trailer ("See a shrink." "It's a little more complicated than that") is not in the movie and would have helped distinguish Samson from just being a really minor character.
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Post by Timothy on Jun 14, 2008 12:19:52 GMT -5
Saw it today. Didn't like it as much as Iron Man, but there's a lot that worked. Norton was a perfect Banner. The relationship between Bruce and Betty was well done. I was pretty satisfied with characterizations for Bruce, Betty, and General Ross, but disappointed in the ones for Samson, Sterns, and Blonsky. The ending also felt like something was missing to me. I can't really place it. I also think that there were scenes left on the cutting room floor that may have helped. For example, the scene between Ty Burrell and Ed Norton in the beginning of the trailer ("See a shrink." "It's a little more complicated than that") is not in the movie and would have helped distinguish Samson from just being a really minor character. I can't believe Marvel hyped this movie with scenes that aren't even in the final cut. I'm glad that Norton worked out as Banner; he definitely reminded me of the character's recent portrayal (comics from the past few years). I'm also glad to hear that Betty Ross turned out better than Jennifer "Stare Off Into the Distance" Connelly did in the 2003 version.
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Post by Jack Napier on Jun 14, 2008 18:32:55 GMT -5
In general, I don't understand why scenes and lines that never make it in the theatrical cut end up in trailers. It even gets annoying when the theatrical version uses a completely different take of a scene from the one in the trailers. It's just so off-putting. One of the worst cases was in I, Robot. In the trailers, Will Smith says that he misses the good ol days when people were killed by other people. This part was cemented in our heads every time we saw the trailers In the movie, though, the line is said by someone else entirely! What the hell?
But enough about that... The one thing that I actually kind of missed from the 2003 version was the part of the origin in which Bruce got hit by the gamma radiation when trying to save someone else (Rick Jones in the comics, fellow scientist Harper in the movie). This raises interesting points since the irony is that Bruce Banner's heroism results in a monster. I think the TV show and the new movie try to make up for it by having Banner's accident occur when he's trying to do research to help people, but I think the irony is stronger in the comic origin. If Bruce had not saved Rick Jones's life, he would never have become the Hulk, yet he would have had Rick's death on his hands. Or would Rick himself have turned into The Hulk, making Bruce the creator of a monster still? Does he resent Rick for this? Regret saving Rick? It's an interesting part to explore. Unfortunately, the 2003 version skirted over it. Once the accident occurred and it was clear that Bruce saved Harper's life...that was it.
Daredevil's origin in the comics is similar in which he saves a blind man from being hit by a truck, but ends up being blind himself. Once again, though, the film version cut out this ironic element and ended up just making it an accident.
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Post by Timothy on Jun 15, 2008 12:04:10 GMT -5
In general, I don't understand why scenes and lines that never make it in the theatrical cut end up in trailers. It even gets annoying when the theatrical version uses a completely different take of a scene from the one in the trailers. It's just so off-putting. One of the worst cases was in I, Robot. In the trailers, Will Smith says that he misses the good ol days when people were killed by other people. This part was cemented in our heads every time we saw the trailers In the movie, though, the line is said by someone else entirely! What the hell? It's kind of like how in the new Comcast OnDemand trailer (check it out here in the The Dark Knight section ), the Joker's lines like "Good evening, ladies and gentlemen" or "I'm a man of my word" are deeper than what we've previously heard. My theory on Marvel's aversion to the more comics-accurate origin was that they wanted to avoid any trace of resemblance to the 2003 movie.
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Post by Jack Napier on Jun 16, 2008 12:49:52 GMT -5
I think so, too. The revised origin is a mix of the TV show and the Ultimates version.
I also kind of missed the idea in the film and in the 80s comics that the Hulk is the manifestation of Bruce's repressed childhood trauma of seeing his father kill his mother (boy is that a mouthful). The Hulk's existence seems more justified that way, to me, rather than simply a product of a freak accident, and also explains why other characters who underwent the same accident/radiation exposure did not turn out exactly like him.
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Post by Timothy on Jun 16, 2008 13:30:24 GMT -5
I think so, too. The revised origin is a mix of the TV show and the Ultimates version. I also kind of missed the idea in the film and in the 80s comics that the Hulk is the manifestation of Bruce's repressed childhood trauma of seeing his father kill his mother (boy is that a mouthful). The Hulk's existence seems more justified that way, to me, rather than simply a product of a freak accident, and also explains why other characters who underwent the same accident/radiation exposure did not turn out exactly like him. Yeah, I was wondering about the lack of a substantial background, especially after a show on the History Channel about superheroes elaborated on just such an event.
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Post by diggidydave420 on Jun 18, 2008 15:48:02 GMT -5
i just watched this movie on my computer and man...was it better than ang lee's version...I like the fact it doesn't have all that father killing mother backstory (wasn't that put in the first one to replace the gamma bomb and rick jones saving origin story?) it's all about Banner researching with gamma radiation and when he found something he took the selfless ct and experimented on himself when something went wrong...also when he changes it's not just based on anger...it's when any type of emotion...when he and betty were gonna get it on he had to stop cause his heart rate was getting too high...at the end was cool him meditating and he found a way to control it...which could make for a very cool Avengers movie when they put him and he changes...but I wonder if he gets so mad he goes into berserker mode and then takes everything out...that would be awesome
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Post by Timothy on Jun 18, 2008 20:28:43 GMT -5
i just watched this movie on my computer and man... I'm going to pretend I didn't hear that I like that last part you mentioned; it's like he has to keep a constant homeostasis in terms of his mind or else he'll explode. I was nerd-chatting with a friend of mine about that fact, and I'm glad to hear that it's in the movie. It makes sense if you think about it... What I'd love to see someday is a Hulk sequence like the Jekyl and Hyde sequence from The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen where they communicate back and forth mentally. Just imagine a Hulk guided by the brain of Banner...
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